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x TITS x: oh, good god.
Little Sarah R: seriously, what?
Little Sarah R: So, who are you voting for?
Little Sarah R: or is thsat too personal?
x TITS x: why would that be personal?
x TITS x: i don’t know if i will vote.
Little Sarah R: I think it is, very much.
x TITS x: i probably won’t.
x TITS x: really, how’s that?
Little Sarah R: so, no preference?
x TITS x: well i have a preferance, the Black guy, i guess, but i don’t i can reconcile all his pros with all his cons.
Little Sarah R: Depending on who I speak to, I decide to ignore my vote or decifde that I am starting a fight if I tell them who I pick.
x TITS x: do you know many people who are voting contrary to how you are voting?
Little Sarah R: I’m voting McCain because Obama has no experience and McCain is a known moderate in his past (before he expected to run).
x TITS x: normally, people in the same unit tend to vote the same way.
x TITS x: McCain is a Shakesperian tragidy.
Little Sarah R: I am a total democrat voting for the republican candidate, because McCain has voted as a moderate in the past, uinlike the know-nothing-no-experience candidate who says that people who make $40K gross a year are rich.
x TITS x: the poor short-armed fuck was a decent man who decided to go really rotton because that’s what he thought would get him power, but it just blew up in his face and if ever there was a candidate who will blow his brains out on november 5th, it will be him.
x TITS x: because he blew he good reputation on a rotton gamble.
x TITS x: people who make $40 thousand dollars a year are rich.
x TITS x: though, i doubt the Black guy would agree.
x TITS x: where do you get your data?
Little Sarah R: my sister barely makes $40K a year, is still in massive debt and can barely pay her rent each month with a baby…. she scrapes by on $40 working 60 hours a week in a factory, that’s fair?
Little Sarah R: his past voting record in chicago.
x TITS x: do you have any links to anything crediable?
Little Sarah R: hold on,will look up….
x TITS x: Senator McCain has made this alegation several times and Senator Obama has repeadetly repudiated it.
x TITS x: as i understand it, people under $100,000 will be better off then John McCain and peole under $250,000 will be the same as now.
x TITS x: that’s the tax plan i’ve read and it sounds fair.
Little Sarah R: nonsense, Obama will up $ for welfare, etc and tax everyone he can… I’m not a republican, never have been, but the man does not know how to run a country.
x TITS x: well you’ve got to pay for welfare somehow…
x TITS x: paying taxes is buying into your country. the idea that taxes are somehow offensive is rediculious.
x TITS x: it’s the pricetag of civalization.
Little Sarah R: try this out: http://minx.cc/?post=275560
Little Sarah R: Basically, I like to ask people who are voting for Obama.. “If he was white, with this amount of experience, would you vote for him?”
Little Sarah R: He is the most inexperienced person to ever have a shot at president
x TITS x: Lincoln.
Little Sarah R: It makes no sense. I would LOVE to see a bl;ack president, but sure as hell not someone who is a one term senator.
x TITS x: Lincoln had almost the same naritive.
Little Sarah R: we are in the middle of a shit war, he cannot pull us out.
x TITS x: and i really don’t get what his skin color has to do with anything, pro or con.
Little Sarah R: He says, he’ll pull us out… he can’t. He’s now gone bac on that and said he’ll try to make a time line to pull out. Eeryone is making a timeline for pull out.
x TITS x: the argument that he has no experiance makes no sense to me. what possiable experiance can anybody have to be the president?
Little Sarah R: are you kidding?
Little Sarah R: I didn’t realize how stupid you were.
Little Sarah R: Unfortunate.
x TITS x: you pick the guy who wants to go where you want to go.
Little Sarah R: I thought you might think outside the box. Apparently not.
x TITS x: you pick the guy who’s plan looks most like what you want.
x TITS x: he’s gonna have peoiple around to tell him how to get there.
Little Sarah R: That’s not true. I don’t want a war, but our economy is SOoff that you need to stick to someone who can actualy do something
x TITS x: he’s not gonna be in the field comanding troops himself or setting the intrest rate when he gets out of bed.
Little Sarah R: you know the next prez is only 4 years, because no one can improve this system enugh to get the support of the voters.
x TITS x: but you have a guy who wants to take the country somewhere and another gu who wants something else, and you decide which you agree with.
Little Sarah R: Bush fucked shit up so much worse than anyone could ever imagine.
x TITS x: or, you don’t vote at all if neither one is attractive.
Little Sarah R: I’m worried that Matt can’t get student loans next year because there’s no money… that is scary
Little Sarah R: and Obama makes is harder.
x TITS x: how’s that?
Little Sarah R: because eventhoguh WE can pay them back in 20 years the people getting welfare/who aren’t paying anything back will never put $$$ into the country.
x TITS x: are you opposed to welfare?
x TITS x: i don’t claim to understand student loans, why people take them out is beyond me, but the Junior Senator from Illonois has proposed college funding for every American willing to do community service.
Little Sarah R: our economy is folding…. everyone on welfare I know (at least those who have been on it for more than 12 months) are lazy bastards who refuse to find a job… no joking, my firend MAria has been on for 4 years now, she could work (at vry least) a part time job… fuck, are you saying tht you ouldn’t work a part time job?
x TITS x: that’s not exactly fair to me, but it’s more civalized then anything i’ve heard John McCain say.
Little Sarah R: College loans are NOT grad school loans
Little Sarah R: You think the opnly people out there who are doctors should be those who can put up a straight $200K for their education?
x TITS x: but state-funded college tuition is better then nothing.
x TITS x: i think the state should subsidize it all.
Little Sarah R: yes, and it won’t change. WHat do you think will change? Of course we want more American’s educated and making money
x TITS x: for thoes who merit it.
x TITS x: and Obama’s offering is closer to what i want they John McCain’s.
Little Sarah R: yes, but when regular bacnks are going under (i.e. AIG) there’s no one attempting to pay for grad loans.
x TITS x: nationalize banks.
Little Sarah R: Obama is tax and spend… thus he is not helping my situation which is : Matt is excellent at what he does, but unless he had a doctorate in it, he can’t effect anything.
Little Sarah R: So you’re into WTO?
x TITS x: i’m not into the WTO as is because it’s preditory and exploitative of third world countries.
x TITS x: but the theory is fine.
x TITS x: like most things, however, it’s for shit in the end result.
Little Sarah R: BAnks are nationalized, that’s why we have FDIC… but banks have till gone under.
Little Sarah R: still, not till
x TITS x: no, they’re run for profit in the private sector.
x TITS x: that’s not nationalized as it’s meant to be defines.
Little Sarah R: WTO is the WORST nationally for fucking everyone out of their money
x TITS x: there should be a central lending arm of the federal government.
Little Sarah R: That’s why so many deadbeats have gotten loans that the gov’t knew the could never pay back!
x TITS x: what?
x TITS x: what does the government know about deadbeat loand?
Little Sarah R: The gov’t decided that everyone should own a home… so gie loans to everyone who asks for one, the Fed Gov’t will back the banks up… those people who got the loans can’t pay them back, the banks don’
Little Sarah R: t care because the US gov’t is stuck with the bill
Little Sarah R: Am I telling you something you don’t know?>
x TITS x: HUD loans you mean? FNMA and FRDC?
Little Sarah R: Have you never asked why so many useless people without jobs are getting loans?
x TITS x: it’s a reasonable idea to get people into home ownership…
x TITS x: but the government isn’t really to blame for that so much as idiot home-buyers and greedy private bankers.
Little Sarah R: Stop being an idiot.. do you really want to continue this conversation? I hate arguiong with people I won’t change. You are one of those people, because you only care about what you think, not the actual ideas.
x TITS x: government culpibility in all that is pretty minimal.
Little Sarah R: EXCEPT THAT THE GOV’T HAS TO PAY FOR IT!!!!!
Little Sarah R: because they AGREED to pay for it!!!!
x TITS x: the point of the government is to pay for things.
x TITS x: things we can’t do on our own.
x TITS x: big stuff.
x TITS x: like roads and welfare.
x TITS x: that’s kind of important.
Little Sarah R: that’s SO not true, don’t tell me you’re that stupid!
x TITS x: you have a diffrent idea of what the government is for?
Little Sarah R: Big stuff like getting everyone in USA a home, the gov’t isn’t meant to pay for that.
x TITS x: why not?
Little Sarah R: becaus eif you want a house you get a fucking job.
Little Sarah R: I can’t buy a house, I don’t have the $$$
x TITS x: your sister owns her own home?
Little Sarah R: and I have a good job.
Little Sarah R: my sister does NOT have her own house, are you crazy?!

Little Sarah R: how could she pay for it?!
x TITS x: well, she has a job, right?
x TITS x: if you want a house, you get a fucking job…
x TITS x: are you saying she would need assistance to buy a house?
Little Sarah R: She works 60 hours a week at a factory… she should have a house, she’s not a liability, under McCain she could get a house loan based on how hard she works
Little Sarah R: as opposed to an all encompassing loan to nyone who asks
x TITS x: so your sister is better then somebody who works less?
Little Sarah R: absolutely.
Little Sarah R: she has income every week.
x TITS x: that’s absurd.
Little Sarah R: how so?
x TITS x: like the kind of idiology in a bad dystopian novel.
x TITS x: citizenship to the most productive.
x TITS x: dictatorship of the meritocracy.
Little Sarah R: so if you were a bank you’d gie a loan to everyone who asked as opposed to just those wh could actualy pay you back… good one. That’s why our system is going under.
x TITS x: i think, like food and medical care, housing is a human right.
x TITS x: i think it is the government’s responsibility to subsidize shelter for people who cant’ afford it.
Little Sarah R: housing you can get with out a $200K loan… my sister is an example of that
Little Sarah R: hey, shelters are aailable for those ho need them
x TITS x: does she live in the projects?
Little Sarah R: it’s priate banks HAING to gie loans to those without jobs.
Little Sarah R: HAVING not haing
x TITS x: banks have never been required to give anything to anybody.
Little Sarah R: she lives in small town NH, most of our town id “Ghetto” but not scared of being shot. She doesn’t lie in Oakland
x TITS x: except equil oppertunity loans for Black folks in the 1960s, but that was only if they met the same qualifications as White folks.
x TITS x: banks handed out these loans to sub-prime applicants to fatten their own pockets.
x TITS x: it was far from manditory.
Little Sarah R: YES! Because the gov’t said they’d back them up!!!!
x TITS x: to get more people into homes.
Little Sarah R: Our gov’t have fucked itslf royally
x TITS x: that’s a perfectly reasonable ambition.
x TITS x: i’m not saying it wasn’t mishandled, but the idea that the government has a social responsibility to priovide shelter for it’s constituiants isn’t flawed.
Little Sarah R: except tat I want my niece to have a good life. but she’ll be paying for this shit long after I’m dead
Little Sarah R: Social security doesn’t exist anymore…
Little Sarah R: The gov’t has shelters to handle the poor and homeless
x TITS x: and rather then reforming the system, you support a guy who wants to privitize it?
x TITS x: shelters are inadiquite.
Little Sarah R: no shit, but it’s beter than giving loans to anyone who asks.
x TITS x: people deserve the dignity of a home, not to be wearhoused like cattle.
Little Sarah R: there will neer be enough money for all people
x TITS x: why not?
Little Sarah R: I want a fucking house then!~ I work my ass of to barely pay for an apartment!
x TITS x: well then you should vote your intrests.
x TITS x: Barack Obama will be more likely to help your people [poor folks] then John McCain.
Little Sarah R: the gov’t doesn’t pay a dime for me, and I cannot get health care eventhough I hae severe bipolar disorder.
x TITS x: he will do more to create a welfair state and that will bennifit you and me and most people we know.
x TITS x: and you really think McCain has a better insurance plan?
Little Sarah R: i would rather suffer a bit than have the country fold after a few years… we are Rome right now, that’s scary
x TITS x: i’d rather get to go to the doctor.
x TITS x: get lasik.
x TITS x: see a gastroenterologist.
x TITS x: John McCain’s plan will do nothing to get me or you healthcare.
Little Sarah R: God, I would love lasik, but I worry about the itching in the eyes. I think I’d freak out.
x TITS x: Barack Obama’s plan isn’t a sure bet, but it’s a hell of a lot more likely.
Little Sarah R: no. I’m sick of fighting, but no.
x TITS x: you do realize John McCain’s health care plan will do less for you’re medical concerns, right?
Little Sarah R: I’m freelancing right now, I can’t afford to love without spending the taxes I will owe in April, but I have to do it, I’l be in debt just for my income… yuck.
Little Sarah R: live not love
x TITS x: how much do you make a year?
Little Sarah R: If Obama actually has a plan for anything I might consider him, but he doesn’t.
Little Sarah R: About $40K and I hae no savings and about $30K in debt from credit and loans for college
x TITS x: and your mate?
x TITS x: do you share incomes?
Little Sarah R: NOthing, he’s a full time student now, I actually was lucky to pick up his income, we used to both be about $25K maybe 6 months ago, now he’s $0 and I’m $40K (maybe)
Little Sarah R: I hae to support him on my income that means I’m rich in Obama’s eyes.
x TITS x: and he doesn’t know any ways to pay for post-graduate work?
x TITS x: this is something i need to start researching?
Little Sarah R: are you kidding, he works 70 hours a week solely in study, classes, and placement!!!
x TITS x: i mean, grants. federal? state? private.
Little Sarah R: he has to work for free 20 hours a week!!!!!
Little Sarah R: We hae 100% federal loans. Which don’t pay for food, rent, books… I pay for all of that, they pay his tuition until he gets out, then we start paying off the $150K of loans!
x TITS x: fuck loans.
Little Sarah R: He can’t go to school without them.
x TITS x: i’ve gotten through my undergraduate work for free, i’ll puzzle a way to get through law school.
Little Sarah R: \what do you suggest?
x TITS x: it can be done.
x TITS x: i don’t know?
Little Sarah R: no it can’t
x TITS x: maybe not. but i give myself 75 percent odds i can get a JD gratis.
x TITS x: besides the $30,000 my poor parents pissed away on that year at Curry, of course.
Little Sarah R: Not a chance, NOT for grad school. The gov’t does not pay for it. MAtt just did it with zero income, it cannot be done.
Little Sarah R: Undergard the gov’t thinks everyone should have, NOT grad school, it’s too much money.
x TITS x: well, i’ll see.
x TITS x: maybe there are grants i can score.
x TITS x: if you look hard enough and scrounge hard enough, you can score pretty much everything you need.
Little Sarah R: yeah, good luck. If you get it done for free let me know. MAtt could not get grants, he spent 4 years in the shit with crazy kids and still didn’t get grants.
x TITS x: in America, obviously.
Little Sarah R: MAtt got the maximum allowed paid by the gov’t! Matt’s school told him he got the highest money allowable by the gov’t!
x TITS x: but he’s got to pay that back.
Little Sarah R: And we are paying AL of it back eventually.
x TITS x: what’s the point in that?
x TITS x: what’s he get a year?
Little Sarah R: He loves what he does, and he’s good at a field that few people are, you wil never understand filling a need, I’m sure.
x TITS x: why do you say that?
Little Sarah R: what do you want to be, a lawyer? You will never help anyone.
Little Sarah R: period.
x TITS x: again, why do you say that?
x TITS x: lawyers don’t help people?
Little Sarah R: Mat has gotten REALLY fucked up kids to get jobs get their GEDs go to college!
Little Sarah R: If you’re so obsessed with money you won’t be taking on the probono cases, right?
x TITS x: who’s obsessed with money?
x TITS x: what the fuck are you talking about, Sarah?
x TITS x: Bill Kuntzler never helped anybody?
x TITS x: Allen Dershowitz?
x TITS x: Thurgood marshal?
Little Sarah R: Matt is doing something because he loves it, he loves helping others, you seem to make fun of him for not being able to pay back his loans on that….
x TITS x: i’m not making fun of anybody. jesus.
x TITS x: if he wants to saddle himself with unimiganable debt then that’s his buisness..
Little Sarah R: he is doing something amazing for other people directly, but the gov’t is NOT ever going to help him with his loans.
x TITS x: all im saying is that if he has the aptitude, he should be able to get his doctorial work comped.
x TITS x: and that it’s unfair for him to have to pay for everything out of pocket.
x TITS x: and that the government should have a responsiblity to pay his way.
Little Sarah R: Please let me know the kind of free money you get when you try to go into “LAWSCHOOL”!? You’re kidding, there’s no free money there. I work for Aspen Publihers, biggest law textbook publishing company in the countyr!
x TITS x: and i can’t understand why you, in your situation, would argue against the governme’t civic responsibilities to people who want to better themselves and their communities.
Little Sarah R: Obama is not trying to pay his loans! Otherwise I’d be voting for him!!!!
x TITS x: Obama recognizes the civic responsibilities of the state.
x TITS x: McCain does not.
x TITS x: McCain is much more laize-faire, and would leave the government bare bones.
x TITS x: it’s a question of idiology. should the government stay out of people’s buisness or should it get involved to helo people out.
x TITS x: and you’re advocating the guy who advocates staying out of the way.
x TITS x: when your boyfriend can’t even get an education without crippling himself with debt.
Little Sarah R: Obama doesn’t give a fuck about Matt because MAtt already has his undergrad.
x TITS x: it’s a step closer.
Little Sarah R: no, it’s not.
x TITS x: first A, then B. John McCain won’t even do A.
Little Sarah R: This about our economy, fully think about it. The broad reality of it.
x TITS x: an economy picked over like a corpse by vultures of deregulation.
x TITS x: to get the economy back on track, it has to be mended and tended to by the firm hand of the state.
x TITS x: when you allow the findimentals of the economy to rest in the private sector they will be milked dry by people getting rich.
x TITS x: a managed economy is the only way to go. moderately managed.
Little Sarah R: God, I’m sick of this… I am in the thick of the shit when it comes to economy, MAtt and I are the most broke but trying to better ourselves…McCain is trying to help those who deserve raaher than those who pump out 10 kids just for the money thru welfare.
Little Sarah R: I know people from back home who have had 5 + kids to fuck over welfare and spend their money on crack, no joke!
x TITS x: i doubt there are more then ten people in this country right now who have seriously said to themselves “well, i should have another kid for that $200 dollar welfare check.”
x TITS x: this is just one of these things republicans repeat over and over again to rile up poor folks.
Little Sarah R: No, you’re the one kidding themselves… I can name you 10 in my home town who associate withh people I know solely for heroin.
Little Sarah R: who have extra kids, not to take care of them but for the$$ to buy heroin.
x TITS x: “you are hard working. you deserve to pay less taxes. let’s fuck over X because it will help you.”
Little Sarah R: Seriousl;y, it’s a major peoblem in my home town
x TITS x: it’s exploitative and divisive politics.
Little Sarah R: No, Angie Smith, bakc in NH who has 5 kids (literally) is getting a pay check every week, won’t buy her kids school supplies but spends it buyiong heroin and coke from the local dealer in Fitchburg, MA
x TITS x: well shame on Angie Smith.
Little Sarah R: I’m not kidding!!!!! I know these people!!!
x TITS x: what do you want from me?
x TITS x: does that mean nobody is entitled to state aid?
x TITS x: because of Angie Smith?
Little Sarah R: I’ve visited dope heads in jail because of my friend circles… why am I not with Sam anymore?!
He’s supporting fucked up junkies!
Little Sarah R: My mother was on welfare for 3 months when she had 3 kids and my father’s wrist was broken… that’s cool. Let’s throw a 6 month length on welfare.
Little Sarah R: I’m cool with that.
Little Sarah R: If you’re not injured find yoursef a fucking job.
x TITS x: yes. your personal misdealings aside, does that mean people shouldn’t get assistance when they need it?
Little Sarah R: I’ve hjad a job since I was 12 years old!!!!
x TITS x: and how’s that working out for you?
x TITS x: you can hardly make rent, right?
x TITS x: workin’ hard doesn’t get people anywher like it used to.
Little Sarah R: If the state would put a 6 month freeze on it, then it’s greaT. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU CAN’T SUPPORT YOURSELF.
Little Sarah R: SORRY, CAPS ON, NOT MEANT TO SOUND ANGRY
x TITS x: six months won’t get you anywhere.
Little Sarah R:
x TITS x: people cannot thrive on six months.
Little Sarah R: It was good for my mom with 3 kids, she needed 3 months.
x TITS x: people cannot survive on $6, $7 $8 dolalrs, whatever the minimum wage is.
Little Sarah R: you shopul NEVER thrive on welfare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
x TITS x: and how’d that work out for your mother?
x TITS x: she lived a happy life?
x TITS x: is there anything she would have rather had?
x TITS x: more food? a more reasonable house? an easier time?
Little Sarah R: Are you insane!? Think about this logically. Why should she thrive on welfare? She should be able to exist until she finds a job.
x TITS x: jobs don’t pay a living wage.
Little Sarah R: You think “thriving” is acceptable. Why did we have the new deal? why do we have an economy?
x TITS x: you need to subport them with aid from the state just to get by.
x TITS x: go out and take a menial labor job.
x TITS x: you suffer indignities for eight, ten, twelve hours a day and have nothing to show for it but $7 dollars an hour.
x TITS x: nobody’s time is worth that little.
x TITS x: you can’t survive on that.
Little Sarah R: My sister works 70 hours a week to survive!? Why is the answer to raise welfare as opposed to raising minimum wage!? You’re using circular logic. ARe you a socialist? If so we are coming from completely different view points.
x TITS x: the minimum living wage is what, $12, $14 dollars an hour.
Little Sarah R: You think welfare is there for people who want to work or jst have given up???
x TITS x: of course i’m a socalist. i always have been.
Little Sarah R: Are you a socialist!?
Little Sarah R: You’re a fucking idiot then.
x TITS x: welfare is there to privide a basic level of sustinance to anybody and everybody who needs it.
Little Sarah R: poeple should at least have to TRY to earn a living.
x TITS x: regardless or whether they’re intrested in helping themselves or lazing on the couch all day.
x TITS x: basics like food, medical care, an education, and housing are human rights.
Little Sarah R: YOu shouldn’t want to be a lawyer, a socialist society means there’s no competition, everyone gets the same… Sounds ideal, until nobody wants to be a brain surgeon because it’s hard.
x TITS x: whether people want to jump through hoops or refuse to lift a finger for themselves.
x TITS x: because nothing and nobody deserves to starve or freeze to death because othe rpeople don’t want to pay taxes.
x TITS x: that’s rediculious.
Little Sarah R: great. Live that way, I will never be that person. I respect hard work, and I always will. We will differ always at that point. I can acept that.
x TITS x: people will want to be brain surgons to add to their state alotment.
x TITS x: you can have a one bedroom apartment or you can have a house.
x TITS x: you can eat a basic, simple healthy meal or you can eat fillet mignon.
Little Sarah R: you are contradicting yourself as a socialist
x TITS x: there is plenty of room in a mixed economy for financial motivation.
x TITS x: you get so much in food and shelter and medical care and if you want more, you do more.
x TITS x: why is that hard to understand?
x TITS x: most people will want to do more.
Little Sarah R: If I can afford filet mignon and the gov’t says I have to give up 75% of that money I would be spending buiying food = I get dog fod like the rest be